CHAT LOG
OF ELTOC PRESENTATION
eModeration - Managing a New Language?
November 10th, 2001
Michael Coghlan
11/10/2001 07:58:03 EST <moderator1> Simon, the audio isn't running yet - watch this space! I'll let you all know when the speaker is ready!
11/10/2001 07:58:23 EST <Vance> watches carefully
11/10/2001 07:58:43 EST <Michael Coghlan> smiles at Vance
11/10/2001 07:59:00 EST <Ruaridh> Can we start already? (Eric?)
11/10/2001 07:59:34 EST <Phil Brabbs> Ready
11/10/2001 07:59:34 EST <Vance> acknowledges smile but knows Michael is preparing himself
11/10/2001 07:59:44 EST <DavidSmith> i don't think they're quite ready yet Ruaridh 11/10/2001 07:59:49 EST <Ruaridh> Hi David? I'll think I'll change back to my real name soon.
11/10/2001 08:00:14 EST <Ruaridh> I'm so keen.
11/10/2001 08:00:24 EST <MikeIvy> This is amazing - I hope my Toshiba portable doesn't overheat
11/10/2001 08:00:24 EST <DavidSmith> actually I'm not David, this is Lisa White :-) 11/10/2001 08:00:25 EST <DavidSmith> only joking ;-)
11/10/2001 08:00:27 EST <moderator1> Ok, everyone, Michael is ready. Please Please now 'click here for live audio' to the left of this Chat box to start your Media Player. Thanks! 11/10/2001 08:00:54 EST <MikeIvy> OK...
11/10/2001 08:01:00 EST <Ruaridh> But, this is exhausting. Too many sources of info. 11/10/2001 08:01:21 EST <Vance> seems to be something going on back there? 11/10/2001 08:01:26 EST <marciaadato> I was able to connect by switching browsers from the aol browswer to Internet Explorer
11/10/2001 08:01:34 EST <MikeIvy> OK, it's starting. I have the spkr rustling his papers. 11/10/2001 08:01:34 EST <Vance> I was expecting Mozart
11/10/2001 08:01:34 EST <moderator1> Yes, he's about to start!
11/10/2001 08:01:44 EST <Phil Brabbs> Lots of scuffling and zipping
11/10/2001 08:01:44 EST <moderator1> The excitement!
11/10/2001 08:01:58 EST <Vance> loud and clear
11/10/2001 08:02:00 EST <tonyryan> I can hear you 11/10/2001 08:02:01 EST <moderator1> Yes, Michael - loud and clear
11/10/2001 08:02:02 EST <MikeIvy> No probs Michael.
11/10/2001 08:02:02 EST <stevewalters> loud and clear
11/10/2001 08:02:08 EST <geofftaylor> absolutely
11/10/2001 08:02:08 EST <Phil Brabbs> loud and clear
11/10/2001 08:02:10 EST <angela hulme> Good sound here
11/10/2001 08:02:10 EST <simonlemaistre> yes
11/10/2001 08:02:13 EST <marciaadato> I hear you loud and clear
11/10/2001 08:02:14 EST <Tom Savage> Got you in the UK
11/10/2001 08:02:24 EST <Ruaridh> Loud and clear!
11/10/2001 08:02:24 EST <MikeIvy> strength 9
11/10/2001 08:02:24 EST <Budapest1> Budapest can hear you
11/10/2001 08:02:24 EST <Vicki Hollett> Loud and clear in Philly
11/10/2001 08:02:24 EST <horvathnemolnar> <Sound's fine her.
11/10/2001 08:02:34 EST <Caroline> Fancy new graphics in wmp7.1 but no sound yet!! 11/10/2001 08:02:54 EST <Ruaridh> 71 slides!!!!!!!
11/10/2001 08:03:04 EST <Budapest1> Thank you for staying up for so late
11/10/2001 08:03:24 EST <Ruaridh> Hi, Lisa.
11/10/2001 08:04:31 EST <alejandromartinez> Has it started yet?
11/10/2001 08:04:55 EST <moderator1> Yes, 'click here for live audio' to the left of this Chat box to start your Media Player. Thanks!
11/10/2001 08:05:25 EST <Denos> Sound etc. far better than with David Nunnan - and chat functions work
11/10/2001 08:05:25 EST <Vance> spoken writing, I like that
11/10/2001 08:05:52 EST <alejandromartinez> No buzz
11/10/2001 08:06:05 EST <Vicki Hollett> Sure Simon, when would you like to meet? 11/10/2001 08:06:21 EST <Miriam> Hello Angela ;->
11/10/2001 08:06:25 EST <mariajordano> which slide?
11/10/2001 08:06:33 EST <Denos> Hi! Vicki.
11/10/2001 08:06:33 EST <stevewalters> 4
11/10/2001 08:06:34 EST <Vicki Hollett> Chat room 1?
11/10/2001 08:06:50 EST <alejandromartinez> Yes
11/10/2001 08:07:13 EST <Stefan_U> moderator1: sound still not working-i just tried the test - that works
11/10/2001 08:07:13 EST <Ruaridh> My three-year-old daughter has just come in and wants to know where Australia is.
11/10/2001 08:07:13 EST <Vicki Hollett> See you there
11/10/2001 08:07:45 EST <Caroline> Still can't get sound, but new version of wmp has nicer error messages! Will log off and try again!
11/10/2001 08:08:05 EST <moderator1> The test as in the demo, Stefan?
11/10/2001 08:08:25 EST <Stefan_U> as in the demo, yes
11/10/2001 08:08:25 EST <stevewalters> lost sound quality here
11/10/2001 08:08:25 EST <horvathnemolnar> Hello to all of you in Budapest.
11/10/2001 08:08:30 EST <stevewalters> back now
11/10/2001 08:09:26 EST <Denos> Anyond following the presentation?
11/10/2001 08:09:26 EST <Budapest1> Hi there.
11/10/2001 08:09:32 EST <Stefan_U> Any ideas, moderator? I am connected via adsl on a fast machine
11/10/2001 08:09:45 EST <Stefan_U> it is an error message
11/10/2001 08:09:55 EST <Miriam> Good to see you, Angela--yes, 'tis I ;->
11/10/2001 08:10:05 EST <garyroelofs> Hello from Oregon, and fresh coffee here 11/10/2001 08:10:05 EST <Stefan_U> windows can;t find the file (translated from german)
11/10/2001 08:10:14 EST <MikeIvy> yes, I canhear U
11/10/2001 08:10:14 EST <marciaadato> I agree completely with Dan B..sound is good. 11/10/2001 08:10:14 EST <moderator1> You're fine, Michael
11/10/2001 08:10:14 EST <Vance> I'm hearing fine.
11/10/2001 08:10:14 EST <bethtait> with you.
11/10/2001 08:10:15 EST <Tom Savage> Still fine in the UK
11/10/2001 08:10:15 EST <alejandromartinez> Sound's OK
11/10/2001 08:10:15 EST <Ruaridh> Loud and clear in Berlin!
11/10/2001 08:10:15 EST <Denos> Great sound in Germany.
11/10/2001 08:10:15 EST <tonyryan> i can hear
11/10/2001 08:10:16 EST <garyroelofs> sound is great here
11/10/2001 08:10:19 EST <Phil Brabbs> No problem loud and clear
11/10/2001 08:10:20 EST <stevewalters> yes, with you
11/10/2001 08:10:23 EST <Miriam> I can hear you fine
11/10/2001 08:10:33 EST <MikeIvy> Hi there Paul Sweeney
11/10/2001 08:10:35 EST <Budapest1> we're listening to you.
11/10/2001 08:10:36 EST <Miriam> from Florida
11/10/2001 08:10:46 EST <GeorginaMoorhouse> Still got sound here
11/10/2001 08:11:05 EST <nataliaminova> Latvia is enjoying
11/10/2001 08:11:14 EST <Stefan_U> it is probably some strange config-problem, thanx a lot, moderator
11/10/2001 08:11:45 EST <Miriam> Good issues, Michael--we need to think deeper about this
11/10/2001 08:12:25 EST <Guest> Czechia can hear fine now
11/10/2001 08:12:25 EST <moderator1> Now on slide 13
11/10/2001 08:13:23 EST <MikeIvy> Hi Caroline Moore
11/10/2001 08:13:46 EST <caroline moore> hi Mike, and Tony
11/10/2001 08:13:46 EST <alejandromartinez> Hi Caroline from Guadalajara
11/10/2001 08:13:56 EST <Phil Brabbs> Can I ask who the guest is from Czechia - Phil in Plzen
11/10/2001 08:13:56 EST <Vance> slide 15
11/10/2001 08:13:59 EST <MikeIvy> That's slide 15
11/10/2001 08:14:08 EST <Ruaridh> Question: Does e-mail encourage pointless communication?
11/10/2001 08:14:10 EST <tonyryan> Hello CAroline!
11/10/2001 08:14:24 EST <mariajordano> By the way do you know where can I find some rupes for writing formal emails?
11/10/2001 08:14:36 EST <caroline moore> no, wrong Caroline Moore - I'm from London, but I know CM from Guardalajara
11/10/2001 08:15:04 EST <MikeIvy> But in slide 15 the presence of the screamer (!) softens the tone a bit.
11/10/2001 08:15:16 EST <Guest> the Czech guest is misa pisova from Pradubice - do not know why the name did not show
11/10/2001 08:15:33 EST <Budapest1> Do you find teaching/facilitating e-mail communication for students eaier or more difficult than 'in-person' communication? 11/10/2001 08:16:04 EST <Budapest1> Budapest meant a QUESTION.
11/10/2001 08:16:14 EST <Phil Brabbs> Hi Misa, yes you signed on as a guest. I think you need to disconnect and then re sign on with your name
11/10/2001 08:16:15 EST <marciaadato> How do you let students know that their email language is inappropriate?
11/10/2001 08:16:17 EST <Caroline L> Hi folks. Which slide please?
11/10/2001 08:16:26 EST <caroline moore> 17
11/10/2001 08:16:26 EST <MikeIvy> slide 17
11/10/2001 08:16:36 EST <Caroline L> Just got it going - installed wmp7.1
11/10/2001 08:16:46 EST <garyroelofs> body language or tone of voice, which is at least present on the phone
11/10/2001 08:16:46 EST <Caroline L> Thanks
11/10/2001 08:16:54 EST <Vance> cheers
11/10/2001 08:16:54 EST <MikeIvy> 18 now
11/10/2001 08:17:04 EST <caroline moore> yes, very
11/10/2001 08:17:16 EST <Guest> Hi Phil thanks I will try
11/10/2001 08:17:26 EST <MikeIvy> But that's the function of smileys etc
11/10/2001 08:17:36 EST <Phil Brabbs> Yes, I find it very difficult to know when I can use first name at beginning. Writing to Ms Smith seems really weird in an email
11/10/2001 08:17:36 EST <christinesabieh> finally.....I was able to reconnect!<Enter Text Here>
11/10/2001 08:17:56 EST <caroline moore> hi david
11/10/2001 08:18:25 EST <Ruaridh> Question: Do you feel that smileys and emoticons convey enough emotion and body language?
11/10/2001 08:18:35 EST <MikeIvy> I guess I treat e-mails as formal letters at the start of an acquaintance.
11/10/2001 08:18:57 EST <Tom Savage> A 1988 study (Sherblom) revealed that none of the messages sent 'down' the chain in a large organisation were signed whilst 33% of those sent up were.
11/10/2001 08:19:09 EST <garyroelofs> mike--those conventions are really narrow and not as "programmed" or culturally defined as pauses, sighs, giggles
11/10/2001 08:19:16 EST <Phil Brabbs> Mikeivy Yes, I do too at the beginning so I don't offend but it still feels odd
11/10/2001 08:19:49 EST <caroline moore> whoops!
11/10/2001 08:19:51 EST <marciaadato> we hear you
11/10/2001 08:19:52 EST <alejandromartinez> Audio is fine
11/10/2001 08:19:52 EST <stevewalters> audio still here
11/10/2001 08:19:52 EST <Ruaridh> Audio still going fine.
11/10/2001 08:19:55 EST <davem> we hear you
11/10/2001 08:19:57 EST <Phil Brabbs> Audio still fine
11/10/2001 08:20:07 EST <angela hulme> you're coming through fine
11/10/2001 08:20:07 EST <Vance> we hear you, but you don't read us
11/10/2001 08:20:07 EST <caroline moore> I can hear Michael speaking
11/10/2001 08:20:07 EST <geofftaylor> you're still on in UK
11/10/2001 08:20:27 EST <MikeIvy> But have you noticed the absence of the word "Dear" at the start ofe-mails? ThoOK in the most formal ltrz, it seems some ppl feel uncomfortable with it in e-mails.
11/10/2001 08:20:27 EST <caroline moore> bet this happens when it's my turn 11/10/2001 08:20:27 EST <Budapest1> we hear you fine
11/10/2001 08:20:36 EST <caroline moore> what slide are we on?
11/10/2001 08:20:57 EST <MikeIvy> 23 Caro
11/10/2001 08:20:57 EST <Caroline L> QUESTION/COMMENT: Does it matter to whom? I find this unpunctuated stuff a bit irritating in an offline email, and I'm sure I'm not the only one!
11/10/2001 08:21:17 EST <tonyryan> 23, I think
11/10/2001 08:21:27 EST <Phil Brabbs> Mike yes I often now write Hi x or might even put Ms Smith at the beginning without the Dear
11/10/2001 08:21:46 EST <Caroline L> Well, what do you folk think?
11/10/2001 08:22:47 EST <MikeIvy> QU./COMMENT: Absolutely agree about acknowledgment.
11/10/2001 08:22:58 EST <paulsweeney> I like email cos it's so versatile, a casual note to a mate or a letter of complaint to B.A.
11/10/2001 08:23:05 EST <David Eastment> I don't have a problem with it, Caro L 11/10/2001 08:23:15 EST <mariajordano> Hi David
11/10/2001 08:23:27 EST <mariajordano> Do recognize me?
11/10/2001 08:23:37 EST <Caroline L> But Paul, you'd use different styles for these, wouldn't <you?
11/10/2001 08:23:42 EST <caroline moore> I'm usually comfortable with email, couldn't do my job without it really
11/10/2001 08:23:43 EST <David Eastment> Agree with Paul! (hey Maria, hi!! - name fooled me!)
11/10/2001 08:24:06 EST <mariajordano> Why?
11/10/2001 08:24:08 EST <Tom Savage> QUESTION: Where does email fit into the 'response demand' continuum? Are we more likely to ignore a ringing telephone, a knocked door, a letter through the post or an email?
11/10/2001 08:24:13 EST <Caroline L> But David E., would you admit that some of our students' correspondents might have?
11/10/2001 08:24:18 EST <MikeIvy> QU./COMMENT: important thing is to communicate meaning effectively.
11/10/2001 08:24:25 EST <paulsweeney> Of course Caroline, but that's why I like it. 11/10/2001 08:24:26 EST <mariajordano> Mario R told me about you
11/10/2001 08:24:37 EST <David Eastment> God yes, Caro l!!
11/10/2001 08:24:55 EST <mariajordano> Nice to see you here!
11/10/2001 08:25:07 EST <David Eastment> You too Maria!
11/10/2001 08:25:43 EST <Caroline L> OK then we're agreed, David E.
11/10/2001 08:25:49 EST <marciaadato> lost the audio
11/10/2001 08:25:55 EST <caroline moore> whoop, me too
11/10/2001 08:26:02 EST <stevewalters> lost sound#
11/10/2001 08:26:02 EST <tonyryan> lost the sound too
11/10/2001 08:26:02 EST <alejandromartinez> lost audio
11/10/2001 08:26:02 EST <Phil Brabbs> lost audio
11/10/2001 08:26:02 EST <Ruaridh> These sound pauses are annoying.
11/10/2001 08:26:02 EST <mariajordano> I am teaching at the Uni as a collaborator and I have created two egroups with my students. I am really happy
11/10/2001 08:26:08 EST <garyroelofs> lost audio in Oregon
11/10/2001 08:26:08 EST <geofftaylor> And me
11/10/2001 08:26:08 EST <mariajordano> me
11/10/2001 08:26:08 EST <mariajordano> too
11/10/2001 08:26:08 EST <christinesabieh> me too
11/10/2001 08:26:19 EST <Caroline L> My media player says 'Wait!'
11/10/2001 08:26:28 EST <Phil Brabbs> Well at least it's all of us
11/10/2001 08:26:28 EST <Vance> lost audio in abu dhabi
11/10/2001 08:26:28 EST <MikeIvy> aarrgghh sound off! WMP status = "Waiting" 11/10/2001 08:26:31 EST <Vance> mine too
11/10/2001 08:26:31 EST <Ruaridh> Sound????????? (Berlin)
11/10/2001 08:26:32 EST <alejandromartinez> Mine says so too
11/10/2001 08:26:32 EST <moderator1> Please wait for further information. Trying to restart him!
11/10/2001 08:26:34 EST <nataliaminova> Us too, in Latvia
11/10/2001 08:26:42 EST <Vance> at least we all know it's normal
11/10/2001 08:26:43 EST <angela hulme> no sound
11/10/2001 08:26:46 EST <MikeIvy> Roger received
11/10/2001 08:26:47 EST <David Eastment> Yup, no audio in sunny Saffron Walden! 11/10/2001 08:26:58 EST <mariajordano> no audio
11/10/2001 08:27:00 EST <caroline moore> oh, well at least we can talk between ourselves. I'm in London
11/10/2001 08:27:08 EST <Vicki Hollett> Nop audio in Philly I'm afraid
11/10/2001 08:27:08 EST <estelavillamarin> in Argentina we lost sound, too
11/10/2001 08:27:18 EST <moderator1> Please talk amongst yourselves for the mo! 11/10/2001 08:27:28 EST <mariajordano> Natalia
11/10/2001 08:27:28 EST <angela hulme> does any one have sound?
11/10/2001 08:27:28 EST <David Eastment> Hey Vicki Hollett! (kiss)
11/10/2001 08:27:28 EST <geofftaylor> tried restart, no joy
11/10/2001 08:27:28 EST <marciaadato> audio back
11/10/2001 08:27:28 EST <mariajordano> Are you from riga?
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <angela hulme> it's back
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <alejandromartinez> Sound's back
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <Arthur McKeown> <Enter Text Here>Joy!
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <tonyryan> I can hear you
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <Ruaridh> Sound back! (Germany)
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <MikeIvy> QU./COMMENT: Odd, tho, to go back to a previous topic, that while "Dear" is fine in a very formal letter, ppl avoid it in e-mails.
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <stevewalters> audio back
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <nataliaminova> Got it!
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <Phil Brabbs> sound back
11/10/2001 08:27:36 EST <christinesabieh> can hear
11/10/2001 08:27:37 EST <Vance> arggghhh
11/10/2001 08:27:48 EST <Vicki Hollett> What ho David!
11/10/2001 08:27:48 EST <MikeIvy> Okydoky, sound on? Or off?!
11/10/2001 08:27:48 EST <marciaadato> gone again
11/10/2001 08:27:49 EST <mariajordano> :(
11/10/2001 08:27:49 EST <alejandromartinez> Gone again
11/10/2001 08:27:49 EST <Vance> commisserates on loss of 1st part of pres
11/10/2001 08:27:50 EST <paulsweeney> I haven't had any audio from the start but my set up is a little old. I'll check in later. Best of luck with your session later Caroline 11/10/2001 08:27:50 EST <nataliaminova> In Latvia means in Daugavpils
11/10/2001 08:27:50 EST <estelavillamarin> I have sound again,
11/10/2001 08:28:05 EST <Vance> hmm, waiting again
11/10/2001 08:28:05 EST <davem> sunny in Kent with sound - oops gone again 11/10/2001 08:28:05 EST <Budapest1> fine in here, nop, lost it again
11/10/2001 08:28:05 EST <caroline moore> thanks paul
11/10/2001 08:28:14 EST <christinesabieh> lost it again
11/10/2001 08:28:14 EST <Ruaridh> Gone again :-((
11/10/2001 08:28:14 EST <MikeIvy> "Waiting" again.
11/10/2001 08:28:15 EST <mariajordano> anyone from Spain?
11/10/2001 08:28:15 EST <Caroline L> Yes, sound - and a shame if we lost the first part cause I couldn't log on then - could you do a recorded voiceover for the archives? 11/10/2001 08:28:17 EST <tonyryan> sound gone again
11/10/2001 08:28:18 EST <angela hulme> nothing again
11/10/2001 08:28:28 EST <Arthur McKeown> I waited, I buffered, then lost it again ... 11/10/2001 08:28:28 EST <GeorginaMoorhouse> none here
11/10/2001 08:28:28 EST <David Eastment> Audio came - and went - rather like Prufrock 11/10/2001 08:28:28 EST <estelavillamarin> ilost sound again
11/10/2001 08:28:29 EST <mariajordano> no sound
11/10/2001 08:28:33 EST <stevewalters> Does anyone know if there is alist of delegates anywhere?
11/10/2001 08:28:55 EST <Phil Brabbs> One thing I do find annoying is when people reply at the BOTTOM on an email instead of the top
11/10/2001 08:28:55 EST <mariajordano> look at you right
11/10/2001 08:28:55 EST <christinesabieh> Yes.....that would be appreciated....... 11/10/2001 08:28:55 EST <Budapest1> tactful pause for a discussion.
11/10/2001 08:28:55 EST <David Eastment> No Steve, don't think there is but would have been a good idea!
11/10/2001 08:28:58 EST <mariajordano> Users: 34
11/10/2001 08:29:03 EST <nataliaminova> A list of delegates available is a good idea 11/10/2001 08:29:05 EST <mariajordano> 33
11/10/2001 08:29:28 EST <David Eastment> Maria - list on the right is only the peeps in the chat room
11/10/2001 08:29:28 EST <Arthur McKeown> Steve, there's probably a bar but i have not found it :-)
11/10/2001 08:29:28 EST <moderator1> Please hang on everyone! Trying to get Michael's audio back online
11/10/2001 08:29:28 EST <mariajordano> can you hear?
11/10/2001 08:29:37 EST <MikeIvy> er .. slide 33?
11/10/2001 08:29:37 EST <marciaadato> is anyone getting sound? I'm not.
11/10/2001 08:29:38 EST <caroline moore> no sound here
11/10/2001 08:29:38 EST <Ruaridh> There's a list of people in the chat room.
11/10/2001 08:29:40 EST <MikeIvy> Not yet.
11/10/2001 08:29:40 EST <garyroelofs> I can imagine "techies" scrambling round trying settings looking in control panels and such--interesting picture, but no sound
11/10/2001 08:29:50 EST <alejandromartinez> Slide 28 no sound
11/10/2001 08:29:53 EST <Vance> me neither
11/10/2001 08:29:53 EST <moderator1> Marcia the sound has crashed. Please wait for further info.
11/10/2001 08:30:05 EST <stevewalters> I also wonder why some people have chosen to use pseudonyms as they might in a chat room, whereas they woudn't in a conference 11/10/2001 08:30:05 EST <angela hulme> waiting
11/10/2001 08:30:05 EST <Caroline L> Glad it's not only me!
11/10/2001 08:30:18 EST <MikeIvy> QU./COMMENT: here's an ishoo for synchronous comm: devices for knowing who's replied to which question?
11/10/2001 08:30:18 EST <Vicki Hollett> Isn't this chat box amazing - to get the streams of thoughts of umpteen people while you're listening to the talk.
11/10/2001 08:30:28 EST <caroline moore> perhaps we should click through the slides and discuss
11/10/2001 08:30:28 EST <Ruaridh> Time to take notes!
11/10/2001 08:30:40 EST <christinesabieh> I can image what is going on! 11/10/2001 08:30:40 EST <David Eastment> pmsl That's why peeps luv chat, Vicki!
11/10/2001 08:30:48 EST <Ruaridh> Good idea, Caroline.
11/10/2001 08:30:56 EST <MikeIvy> Yeah, what slide shd we B on?
11/10/2001 08:31:06 EST <Vance> Michael, what slide would we be on if we could hear you?
11/10/2001 08:31:06 EST <alejandromartinez> 28 I think
11/10/2001 08:31:06 EST <estelavillamarin> no sound
11/10/2001 08:31:07 EST <GeorginaMoorhouse> 28?
11/10/2001 08:31:07 EST <Phil Brabbs> 71?
11/10/2001 08:31:13 EST <Vicki Hollett> I want to think of a good pseudonym for next time.
11/10/2001 08:31:13 EST <stevewalters> pmsl? David?
11/10/2001 08:31:13 EST <Vance> There but for fortune ...
11/10/2001 08:31:13 EST <caroline moore> we were on 27, but can't see much of it 11/10/2001 08:31:20 EST <Tom Savage> QUESTION: Will (has) email delineate(d) into two (or more) clearly defined forms, edited&formal v. informal&unedited?
11/10/2001 08:31:20 EST <Caroline L> Why. Steve? Try typing your own name into Google and see what comes up!! My name brings up all of the chatroom rubbish from the Cyprus conference!
11/10/2001 08:31:20 EST <Phil Brabbs> sorry 28!
11/10/2001 08:31:30 EST <tonyryan> Question: How do you learn to use smilies/emoticons (is that the word?)
11/10/2001 08:31:30 EST <garyroelofs> mike--eric moderated a chat from Cyprus last summer that did it wonderfully and the transcript is worth studying
11/10/2001 08:31:30 EST <geofftaylor> Gilly Salmon's 5 stage model is super
11/10/2001 08:31:48 EST <moderator1> The sound will return when Michael gets his stream going again. Please wait!
11/10/2001 08:31:48 EST <christinesabieh> Vance, have you heard anything about the Cyprus conference proceedings?
11/10/2001 08:31:58 EST <David Eastment> My kippers are ready - Catch u guys later 11/10/2001 08:31:58 EST <Vance> what slide is that?
11/10/2001 08:31:58 EST <garyroelofs> goeff--which slide?
11/10/2001 08:32:08 EST <geofftaylor> slide 28
11/10/2001 08:32:15 EST <stevewalters> That's one reason Caroline, but I am sure there are others, Maybe a reflex?
11/10/2001 08:32:28 EST <Vance> can you see it in detail?
11/10/2001 08:32:28 EST <estelavillamarin> please, I want to know if anybody has got sound
11/10/2001 08:32:32 EST <garyroelofs> goeff-maybe, if I could read the fine print 11/10/2001 08:32:35 EST <alejandromartinez> No sound
11/10/2001 08:32:48 EST <geofftaylor> no sound here
11/10/2001 08:32:48 EST <moderator1> Ok everyone - clcik the audio link again please! 11/10/2001 08:32:48 EST <moderator1> Yes Michael - go for it!
11/10/2001 08:32:58 EST <tonyryan> Question: What does CMC in slide 28 stand for? 11/10/2001 08:33:18 EST <MikeIvy> Ok, sound back on!!
11/10/2001 08:33:18 EST <Phil Brabbs> sound on
11/10/2001 08:33:18 EST <Vance> computer mediated communication
11/10/2001 08:33:18 EST <nataliaminova> Dear Phil, using the opportunity, thank you for the Workshops which I found useful and wolderful.
11/10/2001 08:33:18 EST <stevewalters> Suggestion: Could the moderator use a different colour so his/her comments/instructions stand out a little more
11/10/2001 08:33:18 EST <moderator1> PLEASE CLICK YOUR AUDIO LINKS EVERYONE 11/10/2001 08:33:19 EST <caroline moore> computer moderated communication i think 11/10/2001 08:33:31 EST <moderator1> mediated
11/10/2001 08:33:31 EST <angela hulme> still no sound
11/10/2001 08:33:31 EST <Budapest1> fine again
11/10/2001 08:33:34 EST <moderator1> computer mediated communication
11/10/2001 08:33:34 EST <Caroline L> Perhaps, Tom Sa vage, because the forms are found necessary - mails to friends vs. mails in business - or also perhaps native and none-native speaker mails! - interesting, hmm?
11/10/2001 08:33:36 EST <GeorginaMoorhouse> welcome back
11/10/2001 08:33:37 EST <angela hulme> but a buzz
11/10/2001 08:33:49 EST <MikeIvy> QU./COMMENT: CMC computre-mediated communication
11/10/2001 08:33:49 EST <garyroelofs> got it
11/10/2001 08:33:51 EST <stevewalters> sound back
11/10/2001 08:33:53 EST <geofftaylor> bingo
11/10/2001 08:33:54 EST <Vance> glad to have you back
11/10/2001 08:33:57 EST <moderator1> PLEASE CLICK THE LINK TO THE LEFT OF THIS CHAT ROOM EVERYONE!
11/10/2001 08:33:57 EST <angela hulme> fine now..on slide 28
11/10/2001 08:34:19 EST <MikeIvy> er.. computer
11/10/2001 08:34:29 EST <nataliaminova> OK
11/10/2001 08:34:29 EST <mariajordano> I bought a webcam bc I thought I need it for this, do you now how to use it?
11/10/2001 08:34:29 EST <Ruaridh> Still no sound here.
11/10/2001 08:34:31 EST <caroline moore> fine
11/10/2001 08:34:35 EST <alejandromartinez> OK
11/10/2001 08:35:09 EST <Ruaridh> Sound yet???????
11/10/2001 08:35:15 EST <mariajordano> yes
11/10/2001 08:35:15 EST <MikeIvy> QU./COMMENT: um.. Annette's spelling..
11/10/2001 08:35:26 EST <mariajordano> sound!!!
11/10/2001 08:35:39 EST <moderator1> Maria, there's no webcam capability today unfortunately.
11/10/2001 08:35:39 EST <mariajordano> thank you mod
11/10/2001 08:35:39 EST <MikeIvy> I have sound, Ruaridh
11/10/2001 08:35:49 EST <Vance> has sound
11/10/2001 08:35:49 EST <moderator1> Ruaridh, reclick the link to the left of this Chat window
11/10/2001 08:35:58 EST <nataliaminova> 'Click here for live audio' in the lower part 11/10/2001 08:36:00 EST <Vance> slide 31
11/10/2001 08:36:29 EST <yoshienaya> I have the sound,too.
11/10/2001 08:37:01 EST <Ruaridh> Thanks, moderator 1 :-))
11/10/2001 08:37:11 EST <budapest> Could you let us have the reference to the Salamon model? Tahnks.
11/10/2001 08:37:13 EST <garyroelofs> q: does anyone recognize the phrase "the imponderable bloom"?
11/10/2001 08:37:24 EST <moderator1> You're welcome Ruaridh.
11/10/2001 08:37:59 EST <garyroelofs> a:
11/10/2001 08:37:59 EST <marciaadato> I have sound too..had to "click here for live audio"
11/10/2001 08:38:06 EST <Vance> is on slide 32
11/10/2001 08:38:14 EST <Vance> 33
11/10/2001 08:38:15 EST <budapest> QUESTION: Could we have the reference to the Salamon Model?
11/10/2001 08:38:17 EST <yoshienaya> Where is the slides?
11/10/2001 08:38:39 EST <moderator1> Budapest, Michael will address your Q at the end of the presentation. Thanks
11/10/2001 08:38:49 EST <Vicki Hollett> I agree with assessment - I bet the students appreciate it too
11/10/2001 08:38:56 EST <Budapest1> thanks.
11/10/2001 08:39:11 EST <moderator1> Yoshie, in the top frame of your window (above this Chat Room) is the text containing the link to Michael's slides.
11/10/2001 08:40:14 EST <Caroline L> QUESTION: Shouldn't there be a non-assessed place for interaction (mailing list perhaps?) Afrer all, you wouldn't grade conversation in the corridor!
11/10/2001 08:40:39 EST <marciaadato> sound gone again
11/10/2001 08:40:59 EST <GeorginaMoorhouse> Caroline L - agree, not all should be assessed.
11/10/2001 08:41:09 EST <marciaadato> it's back..that was faster than before
11/10/2001 08:41:36 EST <nataliaminova> Theachers have an assessing mechanism in them
11/10/2001 08:41:49 EST <moderator1> Slide 37
11/10/2001 08:41:56 EST <Vance> wakes up suddenly!
11/10/2001 08:41:57 EST <Phil Brabbs> Hi Misa congratulations!
11/10/2001 08:42:19 EST <moderator1> :-)
11/10/2001 08:43:19 EST <MikeIvy> WMP says: "Song: ELTOCpresentation 2 Artist: Michael Coghlan
11/10/2001 08:44:20 EST <misa pisova> Thanks for your suggestion, Phil - it worked 11/10/2001 08:44:35 EST <Ruaridh> Welcome back, David. Finished your dictionary? 11/10/2001 08:44:40 EST <yoshienaya> I found the slides, Thanks
11/10/2001 08:45:20 EST <Vance> Intuitive Chaos Navigation
11/10/2001 08:45:30 EST <Ruaridh> Great! Let's have fun.
11/10/2001 08:45:49 EST <MikeIvy> QU./COMMENT: problem with chat in class: get Ss to go beyond simple exchange of biodetails.
11/10/2001 08:46:15 EST <Bat> QUESTION concerning evaluation of discussion postings: What is your opinion of delaying evaluation of language use until after
11/10/2001 08:46:27 EST <Ruaridh> Oh. What should I do?
11/10/2001 08:46:27 EST <Caroline L> Smaller groups or pairs perhaps?
11/10/2001 08:46:27 EST <mariajordano> do you know how to record this with windows media in a cd?
11/10/2001 08:46:33 EST <estelavillamarin> anyone from Argentina?
11/10/2001 08:46:33 EST <Bat> ... the topic has been discussed.
11/10/2001 08:46:50 EST <mariajordano> It is time for lunch in Spain
11/10/2001 08:47:00 EST <Vance> 1 pm gmt tomorrow (webheads)
11/10/2001 08:47:00 EST <MikeIvy> Agreed Caro L.
11/10/2001 08:47:17 EST <Vance> go ahead and peruse the materials
11/10/2001 08:47:59 EST <Vance> it's not chaotic, just disjunct
11/10/2001 08:48:48 EST <Budapest1> A chatoic kind of life
11/10/2001 08:48:53 EST <marciaadato> Question: What do you think of requiring Discussion participation in an online course and giving points for that participation? 11/10/2001 08:49:01 EST <alejandromartinez> Plus the smileys
11/10/2001 08:49:01 EST <Caroline L> BUT how well does multitasking work - TV during HWK and one will suffer!!:-)
11/10/2001 08:49:21 EST <mariajordano> I think you have to learn to live with it, just get used to
11/10/2001 08:49:21 EST <MikeIvy> QU./COMMENT: another problem is to get enough chatters online when you're on with a class
11/10/2001 08:49:22 EST <moderator1> The Qs that you've asked will be posted on the discussion forum for Michael to answer after the presentation - sorry he won't have time to answer orally.
11/10/2001 08:49:53 EST <Vance> What ways of moderating chat are effective do you think?
11/10/2001 08:49:58 EST <moderator1> Thanks Michael - that was great.
11/10/2001 08:50:21 EST <MikeIvy> Thanks very much Michael C
11/10/2001 08:50:21 EST <Caroline L> Thanks, very interesting
11/10/2001 08:50:21 EST <Bea Harmati> Thank you
11/10/2001 08:50:21 EST <GeorginaMoorhouse> thanks!
11/10/2001 08:50:21 EST <alejandromartinez> Thank you Michael
11/10/2001 08:50:21 EST <Vance> thanks Michael, great talk
11/10/2001 08:50:21 EST <Budapest1> thanks.
11/10/2001 08:50:21 EST <Phil Brabbs> thanks very much - very interesting and enjoyable
11/10/2001 08:50:31 EST <marciaadato> Thank you Michael...great presentation! 11/10/2001 08:50:31 EST <caroline moore> yes it was
11/10/2001 08:50:31 EST <geofftaylor> Thanks, Michael!
11/10/2001 08:50:31 EST <gavindudeney> <Enter Text Here>Thanks Michael, very useful! 11/10/2001 08:50:31 EST <lenkabucherova> wHAT ABOUT GETTING ENOUGH CHAT PARTNERS BY CONTACTING ANOTHER LANGUAGE LEARNING GROUPS
11/10/2001 08:50:37 EST <Miriam C> Excellent, Michael
11/10/2001 08:50:39 EST <yoshienaya> Thank you very much
11/10/2001 08:50:39 EST <Vicki Hollett> Thank you very much
11/10/2001 08:50:42 EST <Bat> Thank you, Michael. Enjoyed it.
11/10/2001 08:50:47 EST <christinesabieh> Thanks Mike
11/10/2001 08:50:48 EST <estelavillamarin> thank you
11/10/2001 08:50:57 EST <moderator1> The next presentation will begin in 10 mins. 11/10/2001 08:50:57 EST <misa pisova> Thanks a lot!
11/10/2001 08:50:58 EST <mariajordano> Thanks a lot
11/10/2001 08:50:58 EST <Stefan_U> Thank you
11/10/2001 08:51:01 EST <angela hulme> thanks !
11/10/2001 08:51:11 EST <Guest> Thanks from me too. A bit of a jig saw
11/10/2001 08:51:11 EST <geofftaylor>
11/10/2001 08:51:31 EST <MikeIvy> Well, one way could be to try the British Council's Learn English site and log on to its chat facility.
11/10/2001 08:51:31 EST <lenkabucherova> THANK YOU , Michael for interesting presentation
11/10/2001 08:51:41 EST <moderator1> stay put for our next speaker - Dr. Radislav Millrood.
11/10/2001 08:51:54 EST <Vance> must get you to suggest ways of moderating chat some time
11/10/2001 08:52:26 EST <Miriam C> Vance, what is Webheads' URL?
11/10/2001 08:52:31 EST <Davemillican> Question: Does the use of chat pose serious threat of viruses? - our college won't allow it
11/10/2001 08:52:51 EST <Vance> hang on, I'll get the url
11/10/2001 08:53:07 EST <Miriam C> tks
11/10/2001 08:53:11 EST <MikeIvy> I have never heard of viruses in chat.
11/10/2001 08:53:17 EST <Vance> http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/webheads.htm
11/10/2001 08:53:52 EST <Vance> they're probably worried about other compromises to server security
11/10/2001 08:53:52 EST <moderator1> Please post any further Qs for Michael on the discussion forum (follow the link from the conference site)
11/10/2001 08:54:02 EST <Vance> collects his conference bag and sidles toward the exit 11/10/2001 08:54:12 EST <moderator1> Bye Vance!
11/10/2001 08:54:22 EST <Christine Livingstone> Slides are not in sync with video-Help! CL
11/10/2001 08:54:22 EST <Tom Savage> To anyone who was in the Michael Coghlan room, how long did I miss? When the sound went down I went off to toast a bagel, then when I came back, he'd just finished.
11/10/2001 08:55:22 EST <Guest> pleasantly anarchic
11/10/2001 08:55:22 EST <Tom Savage> I'd like to know if any of my questions were discussed!
11/10/2001 08:55:36 EST <Guest> mine were
11/10/2001 08:55:41 EST <moderator1> To view the next presenter's materials, please go to the last slide of the last presentation and 'click to continue'
11/10/2001 08:56:20 EST <moderator1> Tom, the discussion forum will have Qs for the speaker - he chose not to address them at the end (due to the midway hitch in audio). Sorry about that!