TESOL VANCOUVER (March 2000)
Vance was scheduled to give a live presentation on WRITING FOR WEBHEADS at a workshop at the Vancouver TESOL 2000 conference at 3.00 pm Vancouver time on March 17th. (GMT 11.00 pm; 9.30 Central Australian time the following day - 18th March). The two other teachers and three students joined the presentation as remote participants at two sites:
1) A Voice Chat enabled site powered by software from
Hearme.com (now defunct)
2) The EFI 3D Visual Chat Space at the Palace (click here for this log)
Below are the logs of the two concurrent chats from both sites.
Log of Hearme Talk Site
Michael (Australia) and Ming (Oregon) were the first to arrive at Michael's Hearme talksite. Ming as yet is unable to use a microphone to speak to other users at this site, but is able to hear Michael speaking to her. Michael does type some of their conversation, but the log below may seem disjointed as Michael's spoken contributions are not recorded in the log.
Throughout the conversation Ming and Michael, and later Ying Lan, are also part of the discussion taking part in the conversation with other Webheads in the Palace at the same time.
Ming has joined
Michael has joined
Ming: I dont know how even I have mic...
Michael: Can you tell me if you can hear me clearly?
Ming: sure! you have charming voice!!!!
Ming: no prob. ^-^
Ming: un...might the browser design prob....
Ming: I only use IE in my pc so I cant haelp you...
Ming: since IE did better job in support multi-lang
Ming: currently I change my os to Chinese version, and I can type Chinese, English, and Japanese in my PC
Ming: ^-^ no, that's because my pc do good job;
Ming: I am talking with Maggi now.!
Ming: I am going there now!
At this point Ming also joins Maggi in the Palace.
Ming: hai hai.
Ming: sure, I think I need to answer it.
Guest125 has joined
Guest125 has left
vance has joined
Ming: who is he or she?
Vance, on location at the TESOL conference in Vancouver, joins in:
vance: Hi, trying to wire a mic now
Guest537 has joined
Guest537 has left
Ying (Taiwan) has joined. Like Ming, she is only able to hear speaking participants, and contributes to the conversation via text chat.
Ming has left
Ying: I am fine
Ying: I am working on my notebook, but I LEFT mic in my office.
Ying: The computer in my house has destroyed.....
Ying: The cpu is complete out of order.
Ying: hi every one.
Vance asks if we can hear him.
Michael asks if Vance can hear him.
vance: got you loud and clear
Ying: I can hear you...
Ming has joined
Ying: I am from TAIWAN
Ying: I have attending the class for over one year.
Ying: I am appreciate what done by Vance and Michael.
Ming: yeah, I can hear you clearly
Ying: I also appreciate who has created the internet and new Tech.
Ming: I would try
vance has left
Kelly has joined. Kelly is one of the participating teachers at Vance's workshop in Vancouver. She is speaking to Ying Lan and Ming.
Ying: Because of the new Tech tool, I could contach the world in my house.
Ying: hi, everyone
Ying: Nice to meet you.
Ying: Thanks very much.
Ming: I couldnt hear that!!! ah!! >_<~
Ying: I have been Vancouver in 1996. It is a wonderful where I have been.
Ming: yes! got it!
Ying: Hi, Kelly, are you a teacher?
Ming: umm...no q in my mind now
Ming: sorry, I dont have a pic
Ying: You know my name!
Ming: but Ying is beautiful
Ying: I know... the wonderful place in USA...
Ming: I am UO's student
Ying: TECH city
Ying: and Good Coffee.
Ming: and it's 2nd year
Ying: Hi, MIng... a little nervous and forgot to say Hello to you.
Ming: never ming, ying
Ming: opps, I mean, never mind
Ying: Kelly, has you taught students on line before?
Ming: sorry, could you plz say it again?
Ying: I am curious...
Ying: I was angry that I could not speak English
Ming: umm, I try to learn English with every methods.
Ying: I havde to \\\
Ying: I have to work and could not to study in USA
Ying: It is the only choice to study on line .
Ming: Not currently, I just finish writing 121
Ying: That's why I attend ESL.
Ming: and study my major
Ming: really long!
Ying: Actually, Once in a week.
Ming: since I use ether net to connect to net
Ying: Not ESL ,, it is English for Internet.
Ming: it's offered by school
Ying: I work in a bank.. I am 37 and single.
Ming: I also try to learn English from mailing list and newsgroup
Ying: I have no time to attend any Cram School at night.
Ming: that help me to learn more things for my major and other subjects
(At this point Kelly tells the others what is happening in the workshop!)
Michael: Thanks for the update Kelly!
Ming: I use pc and IE browser
Michael: I'm keeping quite here in the background!
Ying: I use notebook and IE 5
Ming: it support multi-lang better than nescape
Michael: Er...that should be quiet!
Ming: and more convenient for me
Michael: We are all actually in both places (as you can probably see)
(Michael is referring to beith in two chat rooms at the same time - this one and the Palace.)
Ying: I don't know how to answer your question....
Michael: Ying - what is Cram School?
Ying: I can not speak good English... Sometimes.
Ming: I try to answer every q from others as I can with English description
Ying: Night course
Ying: Ming, do you know Cram School?
Ming: Not me
Ying: Thanks. Kelly
Ming: I dont have a strict school life
Michael: So you know what 'cram' means?
Ming: but lots of people have
Michael: I thnk that's funny. I have never heard that before.
Kelly leaves the chat.
Michael: Bye Kelly.
Ming: bye, nice to type to you 2!
Ming: I think it's popular both in JApan and Taiwan
Ying: It is very populary in Taiwan.. I mean Cram School.
Ying: Ming is right...
Michael: Cram School! Fit everything into your head school!
Ming: we have different educational system
Ying: That's right...
Michael: And how effective is it Ying?
Ying: Students hate Cram School.
Ming: If you use another positive angle to see it, it's good
Ming: yuo can learn everything you want
Ying: Depends on what you want.
Ming: there always has some cram school waiting for yuo
Michael: How many nights do you attend?
Michael: Waitig for you and YOUR MONEY!
Ming: not only for school stuffs
Ying: I forgot.. It was a long time ago.
Ying: Where is Vance?
Ying: The conference is over?
Ming: I think that depend on which kind places yuo join to
Michael: I thjnk he's now at the Palace. Let's see....
Ying: I can not be there today.
Ming: no answer
Michael: Ying - I just realised I got it wrong. You DON'T attend Cram School!
Ying: I had attend Cram School, when I was teenage.
Ming: which age's cram school yuo are asking, Mike?
Ming: I might know better ...
Ying: Everyone has to attend Cram school, when he was teenage.
Ying: It is another Education problem in Taiwan.
Michael: Any age? I don't know anything about it.
Ming: different age and subject has different school to go
Ying: Ming is right.
Ying: The most of students go to Cram school for preparing the attending Test for go to University / High school.
Ming: dont know...
Ming: really! *^-^*
At this point Vance asks the conference participants to say goodbye to the remore participants (Michael, Ying Lan, and Ming). We can hear 50 people saying goodbye and clapping! Quite an astounding experience. (And for the record, I was wearing a sarong!)
Ming: ur welcome!
Ying: That's my pleause.
Ying: bye- bye
Ming: bi everyone, and, nice to see ying here
Ying: Your welcome.
Ming: bye everyone! *kiss*
Michael: I'm going back to the Palace....
Ying: I have to say good bye to you.
Ming: I would miss yuo... *starry eyes*
Ying: I have no Palace software in my notebook.
Ming: I try to ask others help you, plz wait...
Ying: Michael, I won't be at the Palace and your icq list on Sunday.
Michael: OK Ying. We'll miss you!
Ying: I will try be your voice chat room
Guest300 has joined
Ming: Ying, I would in both sides, talk to you what's going on there later
Ying: Ming,,, do you ask me "pls wait"?
Ying: Hi, Guest 300
Guest300 has left
Gloria (Brazil) joins the chat.
gloria has joined
Ying: HI, gloria
Ying: The conference was over.
gloria: Hi everybody
Ming: if you want , though it's a bit hard for me to keep up with both places...
gloria: you could tell me about it on sunday
Ming: hi, gloria!
Ming: are you our mate or teacher?
Ying: I could not express it in English...
Ying: Let ming tell you.
gloria: Hi Ming, I guess it is our first time
gloria: Your classmate
Ming: can Ying type chinese ere?
Ming: oops! here..
Ying: ???, C an you read my Chinese name?
Ming has left
Ying: The system can not show Chinese big 5.
gloria: well well well..my mic doesn't work my speakers too..
Ming has joined
Ying: Ming,,,, it can not show Chinese big 5 here.
Ying: I tyed my chinses name ???
Ming has left
Ying: Michael... Why gloria and moral have the same problem here?
Ying: Are you here?
gloria has left
Concurrent to all of the above the following conversation is taking place in the Palace. Michael (Australia), Ming (Oregon), and Maggi (Germany) are first there.
*** Welcome to The Virtual School House Michael C!
Michael C: @64,64 !It's Michael C
Maggi: Hi guys
Michael C: You're such an exhibitionist Maggi!
Maggi: This is just for the show
Maggi: Vance rewuested it
Michael C: What can I be? Got anyhting I can borrow?
Maggi: like this?
Ming: wow! cool!
Michael C: Yeh - any of those!
Maggi: thisw one?
Ming: should I leave the voice chat?
Ming: e? you cut yuorself?
Maggi: that was so Michael could take it
Michael C: Stay in the vocie chat Ming, You can be in both places like me.
Maggi: this will make Vance's day
Maggi: he thought there would be NO voice chat
Michael C: Didn't get the feet.
Ming: I know, just wonder should I close some wins in my screen
Ming: would anyone else go here?
Maggi: that looks different
Maggi: Felix said he would try
Michael C: I'm like a ghost - what about something with colour?
Michael C: Yeh - him.
Ming: you look not bad
Maggi: this one
Michael C: Yeh.
Ming: your son?
Michael C: Sorry - no head!
Maggi: who took the sun out of the sky?
Maggi: LOST YOUR HEAD EH?
Michael C: Thanks Maggi.
Michael C: I don't know what happened to th sun....
Ming: quite funny!
Maggi: mc USED TO LOOK LIKE THAT...lol
Ming: ah, I forgot answer some q;
Michael C: And I will again! I've started going to the gym!!!
Maggi: shoot Ming
Michael C: Can you still hear me Ming?
Ming: Mike, it's 2:40 here, and I did my laundry stuffs this morning.
Maggi: stuff never takes an s
Maggi: you did your laundry or washed your stuff
Ming: washing machine did it. =D
Maggi: unless you stuff your laundry LOL
Michael C: Maggi - you must get voice chat!
Maggi: I have it, but my son went to bed so I can't use his computer
Maggi: I still have to reformat my other one
Michael C: Well make sure you do!
Maggi: Yes sir!!
Maggi: right away sir!!
Michael C: Ming says I have a charming Voice!
Ming: For Maggi, since I have too few vocabulary my personal word bank, so I use the messages in mailing list to learn new words.
Michael C: Vance has arrived in the voice chat....
Michael C: I'll be there for a bit....(Michael returns to the voice chat site.)
Maggi: I'll keep the chair warm
Maggi: Watch TV and read too Ming
Maggi: we can both keep it warm
Maggi: are you talking too on the voice chat?
Ming: sorry, since I did some stupid thing, I reopen the browser.
Ming: no, not yet
Ming: someone is speaking...
Ming is referring to the sound of voices coming from the conference workshop in Vancouver. Vance (from Vancouver) enters the chat.
Vance: @64,64 !It's Vance
Maggi: Hi Vance!
Vance: Hi. We're at the conference. Micheel is on the other line. ANd it's working beautifully
Vance: Hi everyone
Maggi: sEE...AT THE LAST MINUTE IT WORKED
Maggi: slip of the key
Ming: sorry, I might cant keep up with both sides perfectly...
Maggi: so...now what?
Ming: oops, typing error
Maggi: do your best Ming
Here, using Vance's avatar, one of the conference participants joins in:
Vance: Hi! My name is not Vance but Diane from deep South Texas. How are you?
Maggi: Hi Diane
Maggi: I love grits
Vance: How do you like your grits?
Maggi: with butter, salt and pepper
Maggi: Hey Moral!
Moral: @64,64 !It's Moral
Moral: Hi, everyone
Maggi: Moral is from China
Maggi: Ming is from Taiwan
Maggi: They have had some interesting conversations
Vance: Do you like salsa and fajitas?
Moral: how long have you been here?
Maggi: You are making me hungry...:-)
Maggi: Not long Moral
Ming: I just eat some ice cream~
Maggi: too cold still here for ice cream
Vance: I've been in VanCouver for a week and return tomorrow. It's a little colder here than in Texas, so it will be good to return to the sun and palms.
Maggi: Vance is Diane at the conference
Maggi: well...summer will come to Europe too...:-)
Michael C: Good morning Moral!
Moral: How is your presence Vance?
Ming: it might be pretty hot!
Maggi: better Moral
Vance: Will it ever get to 100 degrees fahrenheit in Europe?
Michael C: He has started his introduction.
Michael is referring to the fact that Vance has just begun his workshop.
Maggi: sure it does...but not for too long
Maggi: can you hear it MC?
Vance: We start high temperatures in April and go until October.
Michael C: Only muffled sound in the background. V is not directly speaking in the mic...
Maggi: I know...I drove across Texas during a heat wave
Michael refers to what is happening in the other chat room (the talk site):
Michael C: ....and Kelly (a teacher there) is talking to Ying and Ming and they are rreplying via text chat.
Maggi: that is great!!
Vance: During what month did you drive across - across- across Texas?
Michael C: It's absolutely amazing!!!
Maggi: It was during the heat wave in July '98
Michael C: Tthere are about 50 people in the room and they are following the conversation on a big screen.
Michael C: Super kewl!
Maggi: we are making history or something...:-)
Moral: What is kewl?
Vance: What is kewl? and super kewl?
Maggi: just a different spelling
Moral: Oh, I know now
Maggi: that we are all here
Moral: Of course, it is cool.
Maggi: from different corners of the world
Maggi: all talking live
Moral: yes, different corners.
Maggi: Moral you are on the opposite side
Maggi: from me
Moral: do you mean time zone?
Maggi: Do I hear clapping?
Maggi: no....guess not
Maggi: You still there Diane?
Maggi: hmmm...well, Vance still has 10 minutes
Maggi: in a vacuum here
Maggi: very quiet
Michael C: Well I think we should just continue talking.
Michael C: What are your plans for the day Moral?
Ming: wow! so tired! I shoul dimprove my typing speed sooner!
Moral: I will go to visit my brother.
Maggi: I still have to sleep first
Moral: Did Vance removed the webpages on homestead.com?
Maggi: and my brothers are too far away
Michael C: Does your brother live far away?
Moral: No, he is not. Just in the city.
Maggi: I don't think he has Moral
Michael C: So - is that 5 k's? 15 minutes?
Moral: What do you plan to do today, Michael?
Maggi: Yeh..on Saturday...
Vance: I haven't been able to chat, and I've got to go. Just saying bye.
Vance: OK, bye to everyone. Thanks a lot. You were a great hit.
Vance's presentation has finished but he stays on in the Palace and keeps chatting. A lot of the conversation revolves around Moral being able to access webhead sites inside China.
Maggi: that was it then?
Michael C: That was it then!
Vance: It was great. You don't know how great it was.
Michael C: Fantastic!
Maggi: I'LL FIND OUT NEXT WEEK...
Michael C: Gloria has just come online.
Vance: I'm still here
Maggi: I see her
Vance: I'm suddenly being introduced
Ming: hi, can anybody help Ying to get the Palace software?
Michael C: Being inttroduced?
Vance: OK, the next speakers are on.
Maggi: did she lose it?
Vance: I've turned the monitor off, but no one minds if I stay online
Maggi: boy...they stick to a tight schedule
Michael C: So you feeling good vance?
Vance: Yes, they have to.
Vance: Yeah, it was GREAT!
Vance: It worked beautifully.
Vance: You guys are great.
Maggi: kudos big guy
Vance: Thanks a lot Moral and Ming for being here.
Vance: And Michael and Maggi of course.
Maggi: ah shucks
Vance: Ming, Moral, still there?
Moral: You are welcome, Vance.
Ming: ah! how many I missed!
Michael C: It was fun. When er can do it again?
Michael C: Joke!!!
Vance: You were there. Your pictures were on the big screens.
Moral: Vance, did you remove the webheads webpages from homestead.com?
Maggi: at our ELTAF conference here in September...
Vance: Now I'm sitting next to the next speaker trying to be unobtrusive.
Ming: really?! hello!
Vance: No, Moral, I didn't. Why, not there?
Maggi: i oresent and you all show up
Moral: I can't visit it.
Vance: Moral, we have a similar problem in the UAE. Censors chase us around. Can you reach Michael's site?
Vance: Michael, what's your homestead url?
Moral: yes, I can.
Vance: But not webheads? Let me try it now.
Moral: I mean Chariot.net.au.
Vance: No, Michael, what's your homestead site?
Michael C: HANG ON....
Ming: >_<~ my browser stucks! I need to reenter mike's place again...
Vance: I just tried. I get the homestead url fine.
Vance: stucks? Sucks? Sticks?
Vance: Probably sucks.
Ming: I try to be polite ..
Michael C: I can't actually remember Vance. I don't have a link to it anymore.
Vance: What happened to Ying Lan's machine?
Maggi: she can't remember if it sucks
Maggi: sorry, that wasn't an answer to that question
Vance: Moral, did you get that url? Can you visit: http://homestead.com/mikecogh/files/gallerythumbs.htm
Michael C: Oh that site! I thoiught you meant the chat one! ( I do have al link to that site!
Moral: I can't connect to netword.com neither.
Moral: I'll try
Ming: I might open to many wins...
Vance: well, netword is not a problem. It only points to the other sites.
Vance: If you can get me an ftp address to a computer in china I can send the files there and you can put the site up on a Chinese computer.
Vance: It will probably get you in trouble with your government though, do you think?
Vance: I have an idea, what if we mirror it at Chariot?
Moral: It won't be a trouble.
Vance: I'm sure we can overcome the problem. Did you try Michaels' url?
Michael C: I'm listening...
Moral: yes, it works.
Vance: So you can reach the homestead.com sites ... just webheads ...
Moral: but webheads is displayed expired.
Vance: Try this one: http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/files/efi/students.htm
Moral: Webheads is expired.
Ming: Ying just left...
Ming: mike left also...
Moral: Ok, i'll try again.
Vance: Can the rest of you reach the homestead sites?
Michael C: Bit I haven't left the Palace yet...
Ming: I c yuo there, mike
Michael C: But if I'm not needed for anything else I'm going to go out in the garden and stuff....
Ming: IT works.
Vance: Can you check the url befoer you go MC?
Michael C: Sorry vacne - whcih one?
Michael C: OK...
Vance: Thanks Ming for checking it for us.
Michael C: It's working fine. Can
Michael C: It's working fine. Can't Moral get it?
Vance: Did you have any luck Moral, with http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/files/efi/webheads.htm ??
Ming: Some people in China has problem with proxy server
Vance: Sorry, with http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/files/efi/students.htm
Moral: Ok, It works now. Thank you all very much.
Ming: that's not bad
Vance: That's true, Ming. Good, Moral, just curious, can you link back to main page?
Moral: I am sorry that I might use the old name.
Michael C: http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/files/efi/students.htm - also fine.
Vance: Thanks, MC. You've put in a good days work. Go relax in your garden now.
Vance: You deserve it.
Maggi: getting gi'm falling asleep
Michael C: Thanks Vance! What are you going to do for the rest of the day?
Maggi: oh je
Vance: It's evening here. I've done all my big presentations now. Relax myself I believe. At least 3 microbreweries in town.
Maggi: tie one on eh?
Moral: I works now, Thank you Vance.
Maggi: Oh...my week is finished
Michael C: Sounds fine. Enjoy it. I'll see you all later. It;s lovely to be a part of all this.
Vance: Good Moral. I'm glad we don't have to get you in trouble with the proxy police.
Ming: soOOOOOO good
Maggi: I love it too MC...:-)
Vance: Me too. I should probably discretely move away from the present presenter.
Michael C: Ciao!
Vance: bye then
Ming: bye, mike
Maggi: good thing there is no sound
Maggi: bye mc
Vance: Got my sound muted
Moral: bye, michael
Michael leaves the Palace, and wanders around the house and the garden, still dressed in his sarong. (I wonder what the others were wearing???) He is in a bit of a daze as he contemplates the notion that he just took part in an international conference workshop sitting at his desk in the study in Adelaide, Australia. He could hear them, and they could hear him. Astounding. It felt almost as good as being there in person. Maybe better. Itís a wonderful world. It took him at least 30 minutes to come down and get back to normal life. For the rest of the day he feels like he really has been at the conference in Vancouver. And I guess he was!